that's how the information is obtained in getting to osama bin laden. do you really think this was going on at the time and should it have been? >> well, i think certainly it really was going on at the time. but you have to remember that a movie is a 2 1/2-hour snapshot of what was a decade-long investigation. and i think that compression of time distorts the reality of how this kind of intelligence is actually obtained. >> so you don't think as much of it was obtained in this way? is that what you're saying? >> well, thing that intelligence is obtained that way, and the movie sort of highlights enhanced interrogation as a method, but the reality is intelligence gathering is a multi-source operation, and it's not a game of jenga where, you know they're waterboarding sheikh mohammed and he says it's the 133rd time it happens to him and all of a sudden we've got bin laden. >> in the movie it's depicted over multiple years that the information is obtained and ultimately leads to finding osama bin laden. there's a team that carries out the killing. like you